My flag counter only shows US, Singapore and Malaysia. But when I checked Blogger Stats, I have more countries than that. And the highest comes from Russia. Germany is also notable. But why doesn't Flag counter show that?
If you are from Russia or Germany or any country, please leave a comment, so I don't think I am going crazy or that Blogger Stats is whack. Please stop trolling me Blogger... T_T
Wednesday, 14 December 2011
The DBSK Conspiracy Theory Hypothesis Part II
I am back.
In part I, I have talked about why they didn't sue as 5 and why it was 2+3 and why it was JaeChunSu who leave.
But I had gone back to edit/ add in more points. So, if you have read it when I first posted it, you might want to go back and read again. It is ok if you don't, since they are just my random thoughts. The whole post is my random thoughts.
I am sure, if you are one of those hoping for 5 to reunite, you would want to believe there could be come truth in my hypothesis. Because I want to believe my own hypothesis. But as usual, I have my doubts too. Yes, I doubt my own hypothesis!
So this post would be about the doubts.
1. If they are in this together, why did Yunho said he have waited for the members to come back, but realized they (HoMin) could not wait anymore and thus came back as TVXQ Act II with only 2 members?
I actually this is the best they could have said. If they are in this together, they know the 3 would not come back to SM as the lawsuit needs to happen. Contract needs to either change or be nullified. But they cannot tell the whole world that. He just said he waited. He did not said he no longer wants them back.
2. Then why did Junsu go emotional over Yunho's "Thanks to LSM".
Two possibility here:
a. Junsu is human too. Even if you are in this together, you know you have a plan, but sometimes emotions really can get the better of you and you just lose it, at the spur of the moment.
b. Maybe he thought fans would get suspicious if no one from JYJ said anything?
c. In a way, this is how they boys let the fans know, they still care about each other. That they have not moved on from DBSK5. Because frankly, if you don't care, you won't get upset, no matter what. (Don't call me delusional please)
3. Jaejoong's tweets on wanting to contact Yunho, and Yunho's response on not receiving any messages or call.
a. If they are really in this together, I am sure they have vowed to keep each other afloat during the whole ordeal. Making some noise is equivalent to publicity, for both sides. Because you see, long time DBSK5 fans would definitely know TVXQ Act II and JYJ. But what about new fans to TVXQ and new fans to JYJ. As long as they stir up some news every now and then, fans from each side would know the other side. Of course, no one can guarantee the new fans would love both sides, but you never know. And, publicity is publicity!
b. There is also a chance that, although they are in this together, during the separation period, HoMin could have gotten brainwashed by SM and gang and a rift may have really existed between the 2 & 3. So Jaejoong could have been genuinely desperate to contact him. Don't say its impossible to influence HoMin. Everything is possible. Especially when you are stuck in this kind of situation. Don't forget, HoMin stayed behind in SM, SM could be injecting poisonous thoughts into their mind every day, via various methods and various people, i.e stylist, dancers, producers, other idols, the possibility is endless. It takes a lot perseverance to stay true to your beliefs and sometimes along the way, you could deviate. That is human.
4. It has been so long already, if they are in this together, why don't they just get back together?
Hello, lawsuit is still ongoing. The only way to get back together is to drop the suit and crawl back to SM. Don't think that will happen.
5. Ok then. Don't get back together as a group yet. But just be friends. Meet up.
First off, how do we know for sure if they are meeting or are not meeting.
Secondly, you think SM would allow that?
6. Both sides seem to have moved on and is happy with how things are now.
This, we do not know for sure. No one expected them to have unfair profit sharing. No one expected the split, until the rumors came out. And remember, just because they, as TVXQ and JYJ are releasing albums, having concerts, fan meetings etc, it doesn't mean they no longer want to be DBSK5. Remember, life must go on. They cannot let their career hang in limbo while waiting for lawsuit to end. And oh my god sun, does anyone know what is happening with the lawsuit? When is the next hearing? Have SM submitted the accounting books yet? Argghhhhh....
7. Jaejoong mentioned something about trying to meet the 2 but it didn't happen. Doesn't that imply HoMin does not want to meet him?
Of course it could. Maybe they are not in this together and HoMin is upset about the lawsuit and thus do not want to meet Jaejoong. But we do not know why the meet up did not happen. Jaejoong said it did not happen, but he didn't say HoMin did not want to meet him. The possibilities are endless:
a. SM found out and stopped it
b. They had only a very little amount of time to meet, probably a specific time, in order not to be caught, and they missed this timing.
c. SM didn't find out, timing was right, but there were Sasaeng fans stalking them, and they cannot afford to be found out.
While it is true that HoMin are grown men and SM is not putting them under house arrest, but please remember, their manager is always by their side.
Oh yea, another thing. For all we know, they have met eons ago and is continuing to meet up and communicate, they just couldn't let the world know.
A side note:
If they are in this together, lawsuit may not have been in their agenda in the first place. All they had wanted could have just been an amendment to the damn contract. Perhaps they thought their success and popularity was enough bargaining power to have a change in contract terms. But SM wouldn't budge. Yes, in a way, the boys could have over estimated themselves. Before they have enough time to come up with a contingency plan, things start spiraling out of control and voila, lawsuit happens. Thus begins the point of no return, in this war against SM. But one thing we can be sure is, both sides have always said that this is not something between the members:
JaeChunSu have said that this is not between the members.
HoMin have said that it is "disagreement between some members and the company"
In part I, I have talked about why they didn't sue as 5 and why it was 2+3 and why it was JaeChunSu who leave.
But I had gone back to edit/ add in more points. So, if you have read it when I first posted it, you might want to go back and read again. It is ok if you don't, since they are just my random thoughts. The whole post is my random thoughts.
I am sure, if you are one of those hoping for 5 to reunite, you would want to believe there could be come truth in my hypothesis. Because I want to believe my own hypothesis. But as usual, I have my doubts too. Yes, I doubt my own hypothesis!
So this post would be about the doubts.
1. If they are in this together, why did Yunho said he have waited for the members to come back, but realized they (HoMin) could not wait anymore and thus came back as TVXQ Act II with only 2 members?
I actually this is the best they could have said. If they are in this together, they know the 3 would not come back to SM as the lawsuit needs to happen. Contract needs to either change or be nullified. But they cannot tell the whole world that. He just said he waited. He did not said he no longer wants them back.
2. Then why did Junsu go emotional over Yunho's "Thanks to LSM".
Two possibility here:
a. Junsu is human too. Even if you are in this together, you know you have a plan, but sometimes emotions really can get the better of you and you just lose it, at the spur of the moment.
b. Maybe he thought fans would get suspicious if no one from JYJ said anything?
c. In a way, this is how they boys let the fans know, they still care about each other. That they have not moved on from DBSK5. Because frankly, if you don't care, you won't get upset, no matter what. (Don't call me delusional please)
3. Jaejoong's tweets on wanting to contact Yunho, and Yunho's response on not receiving any messages or call.
a. If they are really in this together, I am sure they have vowed to keep each other afloat during the whole ordeal. Making some noise is equivalent to publicity, for both sides. Because you see, long time DBSK5 fans would definitely know TVXQ Act II and JYJ. But what about new fans to TVXQ and new fans to JYJ. As long as they stir up some news every now and then, fans from each side would know the other side. Of course, no one can guarantee the new fans would love both sides, but you never know. And, publicity is publicity!
b. There is also a chance that, although they are in this together, during the separation period, HoMin could have gotten brainwashed by SM and gang and a rift may have really existed between the 2 & 3. So Jaejoong could have been genuinely desperate to contact him. Don't say its impossible to influence HoMin. Everything is possible. Especially when you are stuck in this kind of situation. Don't forget, HoMin stayed behind in SM, SM could be injecting poisonous thoughts into their mind every day, via various methods and various people, i.e stylist, dancers, producers, other idols, the possibility is endless. It takes a lot perseverance to stay true to your beliefs and sometimes along the way, you could deviate. That is human.
4. It has been so long already, if they are in this together, why don't they just get back together?
Hello, lawsuit is still ongoing. The only way to get back together is to drop the suit and crawl back to SM. Don't think that will happen.
5. Ok then. Don't get back together as a group yet. But just be friends. Meet up.
First off, how do we know for sure if they are meeting or are not meeting.
Secondly, you think SM would allow that?
6. Both sides seem to have moved on and is happy with how things are now.
This, we do not know for sure. No one expected them to have unfair profit sharing. No one expected the split, until the rumors came out. And remember, just because they, as TVXQ and JYJ are releasing albums, having concerts, fan meetings etc, it doesn't mean they no longer want to be DBSK5. Remember, life must go on. They cannot let their career hang in limbo while waiting for lawsuit to end. And oh my god sun, does anyone know what is happening with the lawsuit? When is the next hearing? Have SM submitted the accounting books yet? Argghhhhh....
7. Jaejoong mentioned something about trying to meet the 2 but it didn't happen. Doesn't that imply HoMin does not want to meet him?
Of course it could. Maybe they are not in this together and HoMin is upset about the lawsuit and thus do not want to meet Jaejoong. But we do not know why the meet up did not happen. Jaejoong said it did not happen, but he didn't say HoMin did not want to meet him. The possibilities are endless:
a. SM found out and stopped it
b. They had only a very little amount of time to meet, probably a specific time, in order not to be caught, and they missed this timing.
c. SM didn't find out, timing was right, but there were Sasaeng fans stalking them, and they cannot afford to be found out.
While it is true that HoMin are grown men and SM is not putting them under house arrest, but please remember, their manager is always by their side.
Oh yea, another thing. For all we know, they have met eons ago and is continuing to meet up and communicate, they just couldn't let the world know.
A side note:
If they are in this together, lawsuit may not have been in their agenda in the first place. All they had wanted could have just been an amendment to the damn contract. Perhaps they thought their success and popularity was enough bargaining power to have a change in contract terms. But SM wouldn't budge. Yes, in a way, the boys could have over estimated themselves. Before they have enough time to come up with a contingency plan, things start spiraling out of control and voila, lawsuit happens. Thus begins the point of no return, in this war against SM. But one thing we can be sure is, both sides have always said that this is not something between the members:
JaeChunSu have said that this is not between the members.
HoMin have said that it is "disagreement between some members and the company"
Monday, 12 December 2011
The DBSK Conspiracy Theory Hypothesis Part I
This have been on my mind way even before I started this blog. Not that I have had this blog for very long, only about 1 month and a bit. But I just never put it down to writing, not sure why, perhaps because it is all just my own random thoughts. But recently, the last weekend to be exact, we have HoMin having their fan meeting in Shanghai on 9th Dec. Then we have Jaejoong having his fan meeting on 10th in Shanghai as well. The 6Theory forum is noisy like a year end countdown. Yes, I go go 6Theory, but I don't have an account there, so I never posted there ^.^
So, yes, in 6Theory, there were post of updates and fanaccounts of the 2 events. Probably the most famous one was YunJaeMin met. And then there was the book Yunho was reading at the airport; the book was apparently recommended by Jaejoong, via Twitter last year. Also, it seems there were hints of Jaejoong watching Changmin's Paradise Ranch and also of Jaejoong's hints on there being meaning behind the Cartier rings he wears, i.e. the rings weren't merely accessories. And all this gave DBSK5 fans happiness, myself included. Yes, simple things like this. Call me/us delusional if you want. I am past caring.
So somehow, I got inspired to finally write this post. The contents were long in my head, I just had to put it down coherently. So, here goes nothing...
All 5 have planned to negotiate for better contract, and they probably did. But it never worked out, because SM refused to budge. So when the diplomatic approach did not work, they figured they need to come up with something else. And I still think it is an all-5 decision. They probably had long discussions on how to do this. Since SM wouldn't budge, the only way is to end the contract. However contract will last till 2015/2016, by that time, everything is too late. The only alternative now is to nullify the contract. That would mean taking the legal route. I remember reading that the lawyer at Sejong mentioned he was supposed to meet all (or was it 4 of them) and he was worried of mixing up Changmin & Jaejoong. Of course, I have no proof if this really happened, but since this whole post is just my hypothesis, I think we can leave it as it is, without proof. Somehow, during all the legal consultations, discussions among member and perhaps even talking to others, they realized it would be too big a risk for all 5 to get-up-and-go and sue SM. Why do I say its too big a risk? Because:
1. If all 5 leave together and gets stuck with a lawsuit, what will happen to the DBSK name? As long as they, as 5, remain in a legal tussle with SM, the name DBSK will never see the stage again, will never grace another album. The name would be frozen. I am sure many of you will say, "we will wait". But really, how many could wait. Just look at the fandom now. Some left. Some have decided to choose one side and bash the other. The fact that these very fans who once loved all 5 boys, could now choose one side and bash the other side, shows us that, not every fan is able to wait.
What good is it having some members stay behind?
Knowing how business savvy SM is (I am being nice for using business savvy instead of other words), I am sure they will take every opportunity to make money out of the Dong Bang Shin Ki fame. So in this way, we know the name would never be frozen.
2. You see, not everyone knows legal stuff, but what everyone knows enough is that, lawsuits are never quick. It would take years. Even 2-3 years is being optimistic. Look at it now, still going strong. Are the boys financially independent enough to hang around for a few years not working? Finances aside, singing and performing is their dream, you can't expect them to halt their dreams for a few years can you? One may say, "Hey, just form a group using another name, take the name Cassiopeia if you want. No matter what name you use, we support all 5 of you". Oh really? I don't think so. Just because now 3 of them is JYJ and 2 of them is TVXQ Act II, we already have fans going ballistic and attacking the side that they didn't choose. So it is hard to convince me that ALL fans can really be "we'll support you no matter what name you use." Another point is, Dong Bang Shin Ki, is not just a group name. To these 5 boys, these 4 words holds a very very deep meaning, and I am sure they are not willing to let it go. And if they were 5, I can't imagine any entertainment company who dares sign them on or manage them. Just look at how SM wanted to sue CJes.
What good is it having some members stay behind?
Like what I mentioned in point 1, SM will continue to make money out of the DBSK fame, and indirectly, it means that members who stayed will be able to continue pursuing their dreams. And members who leave and do the suing, will somehow have to think of ways to continue their singing and performing.
3. What if they lose the lawsuit? They would have 2 options, either pay the compensation, which is an astronomical figure, or, get back to SM. I don't think the boys could afford paying the compensation. And, honestly, no one would want to go back to the company that they tried suing.
What good is it having some members stay behind?
Continue making money as separate units, they need the money. This way, even if they lose, they will have the option of paying the compensation and walking out. Paying compensation for members who left is better than paying compensation for all members. As for the staying members, who knows, perhaps by the time the lawsuit ends, their contract ends as well. Or they could also just pay the compensation and walk. And their amount will be lesser, because there would be less years left in the contract duration.
4. They have mentioned wanting to be Dong Bang Shin Ki for a very long time. If they mean it, why would they do this? It just makes it even worse, if it is really their plan to divide and sue and later get back together.
Well, how do you know they don't mean it. To this day, all 5 of them still say they are Dong Bang Shin Ki and this is a fact that no one can change. Not even SM, not even the law. To our eyes, if they really hatched this plan and cause so much heartbreak in the fandom, they may seem greedy and didn't care about their fans. But hey, they are human too and they have to plan for their life too. They have family too. Yoochun's family story breaks my heart the most. His parents are divorced. He, his mother and his brother were staying in the States. In 2003, he came back to Korea. Can you imagine how his mother and brother felt, during the times Yoochun worked like a robot? Who is to lend support to Yoochun's mother? Who is to be the father figure for Yoohwan? Can you imagine how Yoochun felt? Not being around for his mother? He is the eldest, I am sure he felt a need to protect his mother. But he couldn't, because of his work. It is bad enough that he can't be there for them. Yet, after working so hard and being away, he couldn't even bring home a decent amount of money to relieve their financial strain, I can't even put imagine how I would feel if I am in his shoes. Long story short, idols do not have a very long career span. They need to either make enough for them to retire from entertainment business for good or branch out to other areas of entertainment before its too late. Neither seems very possible while being under SM.
So yes, those long paragraphs are hypothesis why they decided, they couldn't or shouldn't sue all together. So what next? They need to decide who is to leave and who is to stay. And no, as much as they love Jan-ken-pon, I don't think that is how they decided.
Let's first address the question of, why 3 and 2?
Well, ideally it would have been, half to go and half to stay. But this is a 5-member group, and there is no such thing as 2.5 member, so it had to be 3 and 2.
Why must it be 3 who leave and 2 to stay?
SM, as 'evil' as they might be, if you stay with them, they will consider you as one of them and will not harm you. So its enough for 2 to stay. SM will take care of the 2. To fight SM, you need more people, so 3 shall leave.
Why not 4 leave and 1 stay then?
Errr...if only 1 were to stay, how can 1 use the name DBSK which is obviously a group name. Besides, for 1 to stay behind, the whole fandom may just unite and call him a traitor. It will never ever work. Never. No matter who is the one that stayed.
With that done, let us look at the "arrangement":
1. Yunho
Whoever stays will have the duty of continuing the DBSK name. Leader obviously takes it upon himself to do it. Besides, although the name belongs to all 5 members, it seem more legitimate to have the leader on the side who is going to use the name. DBSK is known for their powerful dance performance, Yunho will be able to continue this legacy. Despite Yunho being the least recognized for his vocal (among the 5 members), he actually have a very nice ballad voice. Think of songs like Love in the Ice. Also, not sure how correct this is, but I have heard that Yunho is popular in Korea. Well, popularity is subjective, not like anyone did a survey. Or someone did? Another thing is that, although Yunho himself may agree with him members about the contract & profit division being unfair, and that SM is oppressing them, his family may not think so, especially his father. And we have heard how Yunho really respects him. So it may been tougher for Yunho to be the one to "rebel" and sue.
2. Jaejoong
Jaejoong have a very versatile singing voice. He composes and writes lyrics as well. Both qualities are needed when you don't have SM's big umbrella over your head. Also, because they were suing, there is no guarantee if they could continue singing, and may have to resort to doing other things to bring in money to bail themselves out. Does anyone recall, Jaejoong have the best MC abilities. He is the MC for both AADBSK 2 (Variety Show) and AADBSK 3 (Saipan Vacation). Also, when DBSK went on variety shows, Jaejoong is the one who is always praised for being funny and the MC always ask him if he could stay for a few more episodes. One also need to consider, suing SM may mean game over in Korea. Jaejoong have a huge fan base in Japan and China, enough said.
3. Yoochun
May not have the best voice or dance the best among all 5 members. But, he is also a composer and a lyricist. This, I stress again, is very important once you don't have SM's army of composers and lyricists. Yoochun also seems to be hugely popular in Korea. If SM really wants to destroy him, his and Junsu's popularity may be able to keep them afloat in Korea. This may be a bit off, but like I said, it could be game over in Korea, so they need to expand else where. Yoochun's English speaking ability is definitely valuable.
4. Junsu
To me, he is the born-to-sing one. He definitely needs to be on the team that have to fight it out with SM. His dancing is on par with Yunho as well. This way, we have the 2 best dancers equally split in both sub groups. Popular in Korea, who can forget Angel Xiah. All members also once said, DBSK's success is due to Junsu's charisma. They may be ganging up and trolling on him, but hey, Junsu IS charismatic. When he sings, you just go die and go to heaven. When he dance, you open your mouth and stare (think Mirotic). Then when he appears on variety shows, his Oyaji gag and his duck butt side comes out and you just want to squish him and ask him "why are you so adorable?"
5. Changmin
Powerful singer. And his epic screams are synonymous with Dong Bang Shin Ki, think Rising Sun & Mirotic. Having him stay around to continue the DBSK name is definitely the right choice. With his powerful singing and Yunho's powerful dancing, they have a very good chance of continuing the legacy. Another thing is, all the hyungs probably couldn't bear to let their maknae go out and weather the storm. I know I sound sappy. But if I am one of them, I would want to protect Changmin too. When they debut, in Dec 2003, Changmin was 15! (16 if you consider Korean age). That's not counting into his trainee days. How could you bear to let him suffer anymore?
So, there you have it. Stress again. MY hypothesis. Not saying it is truth.
I don't mean to be trolling by ending abruptly here. But you see, I write really long essays. Even after writing this much, I am not sure if I even covered 20% of the theory. I work, and its night now. Really tired. Besides, I have been emoshinki the whole day, with emotions going up and down and up and down again today. So, please excuse me. Will try to write part II tomorrow. Not too sure how many parts I have. Don't kill me ^.^
So, yes, in 6Theory, there were post of updates and fanaccounts of the 2 events. Probably the most famous one was YunJaeMin met. And then there was the book Yunho was reading at the airport; the book was apparently recommended by Jaejoong, via Twitter last year. Also, it seems there were hints of Jaejoong watching Changmin's Paradise Ranch and also of Jaejoong's hints on there being meaning behind the Cartier rings he wears, i.e. the rings weren't merely accessories. And all this gave DBSK5 fans happiness, myself included. Yes, simple things like this. Call me/us delusional if you want. I am past caring.
So somehow, I got inspired to finally write this post. The contents were long in my head, I just had to put it down coherently. So, here goes nothing...
All 5 have planned to negotiate for better contract, and they probably did. But it never worked out, because SM refused to budge. So when the diplomatic approach did not work, they figured they need to come up with something else. And I still think it is an all-5 decision. They probably had long discussions on how to do this. Since SM wouldn't budge, the only way is to end the contract. However contract will last till 2015/2016, by that time, everything is too late. The only alternative now is to nullify the contract. That would mean taking the legal route. I remember reading that the lawyer at Sejong mentioned he was supposed to meet all (or was it 4 of them) and he was worried of mixing up Changmin & Jaejoong. Of course, I have no proof if this really happened, but since this whole post is just my hypothesis, I think we can leave it as it is, without proof. Somehow, during all the legal consultations, discussions among member and perhaps even talking to others, they realized it would be too big a risk for all 5 to get-up-and-go and sue SM. Why do I say its too big a risk? Because:
1. If all 5 leave together and gets stuck with a lawsuit, what will happen to the DBSK name? As long as they, as 5, remain in a legal tussle with SM, the name DBSK will never see the stage again, will never grace another album. The name would be frozen. I am sure many of you will say, "we will wait". But really, how many could wait. Just look at the fandom now. Some left. Some have decided to choose one side and bash the other. The fact that these very fans who once loved all 5 boys, could now choose one side and bash the other side, shows us that, not every fan is able to wait.
What good is it having some members stay behind?
Knowing how business savvy SM is (I am being nice for using business savvy instead of other words), I am sure they will take every opportunity to make money out of the Dong Bang Shin Ki fame. So in this way, we know the name would never be frozen.
2. You see, not everyone knows legal stuff, but what everyone knows enough is that, lawsuits are never quick. It would take years. Even 2-3 years is being optimistic. Look at it now, still going strong. Are the boys financially independent enough to hang around for a few years not working? Finances aside, singing and performing is their dream, you can't expect them to halt their dreams for a few years can you? One may say, "Hey, just form a group using another name, take the name Cassiopeia if you want. No matter what name you use, we support all 5 of you". Oh really? I don't think so. Just because now 3 of them is JYJ and 2 of them is TVXQ Act II, we already have fans going ballistic and attacking the side that they didn't choose. So it is hard to convince me that ALL fans can really be "we'll support you no matter what name you use." Another point is, Dong Bang Shin Ki, is not just a group name. To these 5 boys, these 4 words holds a very very deep meaning, and I am sure they are not willing to let it go. And if they were 5, I can't imagine any entertainment company who dares sign them on or manage them. Just look at how SM wanted to sue CJes.
What good is it having some members stay behind?
Like what I mentioned in point 1, SM will continue to make money out of the DBSK fame, and indirectly, it means that members who stayed will be able to continue pursuing their dreams. And members who leave and do the suing, will somehow have to think of ways to continue their singing and performing.
3. What if they lose the lawsuit? They would have 2 options, either pay the compensation, which is an astronomical figure, or, get back to SM. I don't think the boys could afford paying the compensation. And, honestly, no one would want to go back to the company that they tried suing.
What good is it having some members stay behind?
Continue making money as separate units, they need the money. This way, even if they lose, they will have the option of paying the compensation and walking out. Paying compensation for members who left is better than paying compensation for all members. As for the staying members, who knows, perhaps by the time the lawsuit ends, their contract ends as well. Or they could also just pay the compensation and walk. And their amount will be lesser, because there would be less years left in the contract duration.
4. They have mentioned wanting to be Dong Bang Shin Ki for a very long time. If they mean it, why would they do this? It just makes it even worse, if it is really their plan to divide and sue and later get back together.
Well, how do you know they don't mean it. To this day, all 5 of them still say they are Dong Bang Shin Ki and this is a fact that no one can change. Not even SM, not even the law. To our eyes, if they really hatched this plan and cause so much heartbreak in the fandom, they may seem greedy and didn't care about their fans. But hey, they are human too and they have to plan for their life too. They have family too. Yoochun's family story breaks my heart the most. His parents are divorced. He, his mother and his brother were staying in the States. In 2003, he came back to Korea. Can you imagine how his mother and brother felt, during the times Yoochun worked like a robot? Who is to lend support to Yoochun's mother? Who is to be the father figure for Yoohwan? Can you imagine how Yoochun felt? Not being around for his mother? He is the eldest, I am sure he felt a need to protect his mother. But he couldn't, because of his work. It is bad enough that he can't be there for them. Yet, after working so hard and being away, he couldn't even bring home a decent amount of money to relieve their financial strain, I can't even put imagine how I would feel if I am in his shoes. Long story short, idols do not have a very long career span. They need to either make enough for them to retire from entertainment business for good or branch out to other areas of entertainment before its too late. Neither seems very possible while being under SM.
So yes, those long paragraphs are hypothesis why they decided, they couldn't or shouldn't sue all together. So what next? They need to decide who is to leave and who is to stay. And no, as much as they love Jan-ken-pon, I don't think that is how they decided.
Let's first address the question of, why 3 and 2?
Well, ideally it would have been, half to go and half to stay. But this is a 5-member group, and there is no such thing as 2.5 member, so it had to be 3 and 2.
Why must it be 3 who leave and 2 to stay?
SM, as 'evil' as they might be, if you stay with them, they will consider you as one of them and will not harm you. So its enough for 2 to stay. SM will take care of the 2. To fight SM, you need more people, so 3 shall leave.
Why not 4 leave and 1 stay then?
Errr...if only 1 were to stay, how can 1 use the name DBSK which is obviously a group name. Besides, for 1 to stay behind, the whole fandom may just unite and call him a traitor. It will never ever work. Never. No matter who is the one that stayed.
With that done, let us look at the "arrangement":
1. Yunho
Whoever stays will have the duty of continuing the DBSK name. Leader obviously takes it upon himself to do it. Besides, although the name belongs to all 5 members, it seem more legitimate to have the leader on the side who is going to use the name. DBSK is known for their powerful dance performance, Yunho will be able to continue this legacy. Despite Yunho being the least recognized for his vocal (among the 5 members), he actually have a very nice ballad voice. Think of songs like Love in the Ice. Also, not sure how correct this is, but I have heard that Yunho is popular in Korea. Well, popularity is subjective, not like anyone did a survey. Or someone did? Another thing is that, although Yunho himself may agree with him members about the contract & profit division being unfair, and that SM is oppressing them, his family may not think so, especially his father. And we have heard how Yunho really respects him. So it may been tougher for Yunho to be the one to "rebel" and sue.
2. Jaejoong
Jaejoong have a very versatile singing voice. He composes and writes lyrics as well. Both qualities are needed when you don't have SM's big umbrella over your head. Also, because they were suing, there is no guarantee if they could continue singing, and may have to resort to doing other things to bring in money to bail themselves out. Does anyone recall, Jaejoong have the best MC abilities. He is the MC for both AADBSK 2 (Variety Show) and AADBSK 3 (Saipan Vacation). Also, when DBSK went on variety shows, Jaejoong is the one who is always praised for being funny and the MC always ask him if he could stay for a few more episodes. One also need to consider, suing SM may mean game over in Korea. Jaejoong have a huge fan base in Japan and China, enough said.
3. Yoochun
May not have the best voice or dance the best among all 5 members. But, he is also a composer and a lyricist. This, I stress again, is very important once you don't have SM's army of composers and lyricists. Yoochun also seems to be hugely popular in Korea. If SM really wants to destroy him, his and Junsu's popularity may be able to keep them afloat in Korea. This may be a bit off, but like I said, it could be game over in Korea, so they need to expand else where. Yoochun's English speaking ability is definitely valuable.
4. Junsu
To me, he is the born-to-sing one. He definitely needs to be on the team that have to fight it out with SM. His dancing is on par with Yunho as well. This way, we have the 2 best dancers equally split in both sub groups. Popular in Korea, who can forget Angel Xiah. All members also once said, DBSK's success is due to Junsu's charisma. They may be ganging up and trolling on him, but hey, Junsu IS charismatic. When he sings, you just go die and go to heaven. When he dance, you open your mouth and stare (think Mirotic). Then when he appears on variety shows, his Oyaji gag and his duck butt side comes out and you just want to squish him and ask him "why are you so adorable?"
5. Changmin
Powerful singer. And his epic screams are synonymous with Dong Bang Shin Ki, think Rising Sun & Mirotic. Having him stay around to continue the DBSK name is definitely the right choice. With his powerful singing and Yunho's powerful dancing, they have a very good chance of continuing the legacy. Another thing is, all the hyungs probably couldn't bear to let their maknae go out and weather the storm. I know I sound sappy. But if I am one of them, I would want to protect Changmin too. When they debut, in Dec 2003, Changmin was 15! (16 if you consider Korean age). That's not counting into his trainee days. How could you bear to let him suffer anymore?
So, there you have it. Stress again. MY hypothesis. Not saying it is truth.
I don't mean to be trolling by ending abruptly here. But you see, I write really long essays. Even after writing this much, I am not sure if I even covered 20% of the theory. I work, and its night now. Really tired. Besides, I have been emoshinki the whole day, with emotions going up and down and up and down again today. So, please excuse me. Will try to write part II tomorrow. Not too sure how many parts I have. Don't kill me ^.^
Wednesday, 7 December 2011
[Emotional] Response to Junsu's tweets...by the SM Family
This is a follow up post from the previous post on Junsu's tweet.
So, after Junsu's emotional outburst on Twitter, some members of the 'SM Family' responded...rather harshly
Commercial break:
I get goosebumps typing the phrase SM family. Not that I don't believe people who are not related by DNA can become close like real family. But simply because, looking at all the idols and their harsh schedule, I really can't call that family. True, some may say, your family would truly want you to succeed, and putting you on the harsh schedule is not to kill you, but to shape and propel you to an even higher level. I am sure many parents are strict with their children and bear high expectations for their children. But no matter how high the expectations and how strict, a truly loving parent will never push the children this much. There have to be a limit. Frequent injuries, visits to hospitals, medication, drips, injections etc is enough to break any tough parents down. Just go to a hospital and look around. Where there are sick children, there would be extremely worried parents, some even crying because they feel so helpless about their child's illness or pain. One may also say, it is the idols themselves that want to work even harder for greater success. But this is exactly when family/parents/elders come in. Kids (idols in this case) are young, they may neglect other important things in life while they pursue career and fame, and as family, you are supposed to tell them to slow down, tell them that they are other matters which are equally, if not more important than fame and success. So, with that said, I really can't call them family, as a whole. Of course, not the entire SM is evil. I am sure there are some nice managers, drivers, coordinators, stylist, makeup artist, filming crew etc who genuinely cares for these idols. And depending on their age, they may view the idols like their own sons/daughters, nieces/nephews, brother/ sister etc.
End of commercial break
That was a long commercial :p
Let's start with Sim Jaewoon & BoA.
Sim Jaewoon is part of SM's choreography team and he wrote the following on 7th Jan 2011:
“I can’t just hold back any longer.. Hey, little brother, that’s not right at all.. Who do you think you are pointing fingers at? Don’t act like you’re so upset. Who’s the real one that’s hurt in here…? So ungrateful, how could you do this?”
Next, BoA retweet the above and sort of told her followers to read it.
Sim Jaewoon
I don't give too much care who he is. But I cared for what he wrote.
Hey, little brother, that's not right at all
So now you have a crystal ball? Who are you to say it is right or not? This is between the 5 of them and if Junsu's tweet is truly aimed at Yunho, it is for Yunho to deal with.
Who do you think you are pointing fingers at?
Well, first off all, Junsu didn't mention names. You are just speculating, like the rest of the fans. Are you a Yunho stan? Hahaha. And again, if Junsu meant it for Yunho, then I can answer your question. Junsu is Xiah Junsu who is part of DBSK with Uknow Yunho, Youngwoong Jaejoong, Micky Yoochun & Choikang Changmin ONLY.
Don't act like you're so upset.
How do you know Junsu is not truly upset? You stalk him? Installed a spy cam in his house and hired a Private Investigator to follow Junsu round the clock. And you monitor his every word, message, phone call, every single person he met?
Who's the real one that's hurt in here...?
I think all 5 are hurt, along with their families, close friends and yes, even their fans. To be fair to Sim, since Yunho stayed in SM and Sim is in SM, he probably witness how depressed Yunho was and he felt a lot for Yunho, that is understandable. But again, you didn't see Junsu did you, Sim? How would you know he is not hurt? And, do you know the whole story?
So ungrateful, how could you do this?
Again, no one knows the full story, so please do not use the word ungrateful to label Junsu, indirectly.
BoA
I guess everything I typed above could apply to her as well.
Super Junior Sungmin
He wrote this in his Cyworld:
Even though I didn’t want to say anything about it, I really think this has gone too far, so I’m posting this message. I mean, ever since the old days we have always told each other to always work hard together and told each other to have strength. Does he not remember? In the beginning we love practicing together and appearing on TV once seemed like a dream to us. Did he forget? Once again, please look in the mirror and don’t throw away the memories from being a trainee. I could understand why they left without a single word, but I really don’t know why they are making people who are working hard on their own thing look stupid by spreading absurd lies and hurtful words.
I am going to be magnanimous and accept all the wrote, except the last sentence. To me, if Sungmin doesn't know the whole truth, he could really be confused too. Why did these 3 sunbaes leave the company. Yunho & Changmin sunbae look really upset now. He probably missed them too. His first few sentences are pretty nostalgic, reminiscing on the past, as trainees, about dreams, practicing and performing. I can even handle the part where he says "I really think this has gone too far", I can just brush it off. But ending of the last sentence:
...but I really don’t know why they are making people who are working hard on their own thing look stupid by spreading absurd lies and hurtful words.
This, I cannot accept. Do you know the whole truth Sungmin? If you do not, how can you claim that JaeChunSu (since he used the word they) is spreading absurd lies and hurtful words. Anyone can also jump in now and say whatever you posted in your Cyworld is equivalent to spreading absurd lies and hurtful words about JaeChunSu. And what makes you think they are making people who are working hard on their own thing look stupid? Anyone can also say that your statement is making JaeChunSu, who is working hard on their own thing (they really are working hard) look stupid (by caring enough to tweet and for being upset)
Super Junior Shindong
He re-tweeted Sim Jaewoon's tweet and added the following:
Enemy: an opponent who would fight or hurt another.
Ingratitude: an act of not acknowledging one’s debt or betraying the one they are indebted to.
Or in other words, saying that my family would fight or hurt another is an act of betraying the person you’re indebted to!
Shindong, I am also asking you, do you know the whole truth? By the way, what kind of family block their own family members from appearing in broadcast? Or meddle with family member's releasing albums. Hmm...I really wonder Shindong. By the way, you might want to add in to your tweet, what exactly is YOUR definition of "family"
Now, I am going to talk about all this lash backs at Junsu's tweet, from another perspective.
Could they have been instructed by SM to do this?
I don't know. It is a 50-50 possibility.
While it is understandable for Sim, Shindong & Sungmin to listen to SM's orders, does queen BoA need to?
Well, she owns SM's shares, so she is in a way defending her own company. I know we are talking about defending Yunho here and not SM, but if you look at it, attacking Junsu is as good as defending SM. Another reasoning is, queen or not, she is still SM's artist and still have to abide their request. In business, there is no queen or king, its only about who have the bigger shares and ultimately, only about the money.
They are SM's artist, maybe they knew the truth?
Yes this is absolutely possible. However I sometimes feel that this whole issue is so complicated that I feel even the 5 boys themselves do not know the whole and absolute truth. The reason for me to say this is very simple. This whole issue involves so many people, the 5 boys, their families & the people who call the shots inside SM. If at any point, any one of them starts lying, everything will snowball and truth becomes muddled. So, maybe these people who responded to Junsu's tweet knew something, but perhaps not everything. And the same applies to the 5 members of DBSK.
They are just acting out what their hearts tell them to.
Definitely possible. They are humans too. And they are friends with all 5 members. Since Yunho and Changmin stayed back in SM, they were probably in contact. They could have seen how lost, depressed, angry, pressured or disappointed the 2 were. And when they read Junsu's tweet, they just felt a need to voice out their dissatisfaction. Always remember, idols and artiste have emotions too. They could cry and break too.
Also, I am going to talk a little about Junsu's act of tweeting those tweets
He absolutely have a right to express himself and it is his page. People who do not like it can damn well not read it. Unfortunately, twitter is never something private to begin with. It is something that spreads faster than when fire meets oxygen. Junsu could have exercised some tact and not write it down there. Perhaps to him, this is a new found freedom that he is determined to show to the world; to be able to express himself freely, without having to act like everything is all fine & dandy when it is not. And honestly, Junsu is man enough to not go delete the tweet or anything. Any sort of back lash and criticism, he took it like a man. Duck butt is growing up! But seriously, please don't do this again Junsu. Next time you are upset, just send your Jaejoong hyung a message. Just type Hyung and put in as many exclamation marks as you want. Or go troll on Yoochun and his forehead. Better yet, just tweet some new Oyaji gags. I miss the you doing them.
As a side note on Junsu. While everyone is focusing on guessing who is the "hyung" and who is the "enemy" and drawing their own conclusion that Yunho is the "hyung" while LSM is the "enemy", I actually noticed something else. The way Junsu said "that person was the enemy of all 5", doesn't it look like Junsu is confirming to us that, they had indeed at one point, decided to leave together? I am saying this because, up till today, there are people who are saying, Yes, all 5 wanted to leave but some HoMin changed their mind and then there's another group who says, No, it wasn't an "all 5 wanted to leave thing" at all.
As a closing, here's a summary of what I think:
- We really do not know why Sim, BoA, Sungmin & Shindong did what they did. So it is not fair to just cry foul at their actions. Especially when we also do not know what is the truth
- However, I do really feel that, there is no need for them to do a public "reply" to Junsu. The matter is really between the 5 members themself. If you really feel the need to "lecture" or "knock some sense" into Junsu, contact him privately. Things are complicated enough and has involved enough people, we don't need more jumping into the bandwagon.
- Junsu really did get his emotions get the better of him when he tweeted all those. But who is to blame him?
- If we calm ourselves down and look back, it really is just 5 people, being completely free to express themselves. And during times of high emotions, these 5 may have made some statements they probably would not usually say.
So, after Junsu's emotional outburst on Twitter, some members of the 'SM Family' responded...rather harshly
Commercial break:
I get goosebumps typing the phrase SM family. Not that I don't believe people who are not related by DNA can become close like real family. But simply because, looking at all the idols and their harsh schedule, I really can't call that family. True, some may say, your family would truly want you to succeed, and putting you on the harsh schedule is not to kill you, but to shape and propel you to an even higher level. I am sure many parents are strict with their children and bear high expectations for their children. But no matter how high the expectations and how strict, a truly loving parent will never push the children this much. There have to be a limit. Frequent injuries, visits to hospitals, medication, drips, injections etc is enough to break any tough parents down. Just go to a hospital and look around. Where there are sick children, there would be extremely worried parents, some even crying because they feel so helpless about their child's illness or pain. One may also say, it is the idols themselves that want to work even harder for greater success. But this is exactly when family/parents/elders come in. Kids (idols in this case) are young, they may neglect other important things in life while they pursue career and fame, and as family, you are supposed to tell them to slow down, tell them that they are other matters which are equally, if not more important than fame and success. So, with that said, I really can't call them family, as a whole. Of course, not the entire SM is evil. I am sure there are some nice managers, drivers, coordinators, stylist, makeup artist, filming crew etc who genuinely cares for these idols. And depending on their age, they may view the idols like their own sons/daughters, nieces/nephews, brother/ sister etc.
End of commercial break
That was a long commercial :p
Let's start with Sim Jaewoon & BoA.
Sim Jaewoon is part of SM's choreography team and he wrote the following on 7th Jan 2011:
“I can’t just hold back any longer.. Hey, little brother, that’s not right at all.. Who do you think you are pointing fingers at? Don’t act like you’re so upset. Who’s the real one that’s hurt in here…? So ungrateful, how could you do this?”
Next, BoA retweet the above and sort of told her followers to read it.
Sim Jaewoon
I don't give too much care who he is. But I cared for what he wrote.
Hey, little brother, that's not right at all
So now you have a crystal ball? Who are you to say it is right or not? This is between the 5 of them and if Junsu's tweet is truly aimed at Yunho, it is for Yunho to deal with.
Who do you think you are pointing fingers at?
Well, first off all, Junsu didn't mention names. You are just speculating, like the rest of the fans. Are you a Yunho stan? Hahaha. And again, if Junsu meant it for Yunho, then I can answer your question. Junsu is Xiah Junsu who is part of DBSK with Uknow Yunho, Youngwoong Jaejoong, Micky Yoochun & Choikang Changmin ONLY.
Don't act like you're so upset.
How do you know Junsu is not truly upset? You stalk him? Installed a spy cam in his house and hired a Private Investigator to follow Junsu round the clock. And you monitor his every word, message, phone call, every single person he met?
Who's the real one that's hurt in here...?
I think all 5 are hurt, along with their families, close friends and yes, even their fans. To be fair to Sim, since Yunho stayed in SM and Sim is in SM, he probably witness how depressed Yunho was and he felt a lot for Yunho, that is understandable. But again, you didn't see Junsu did you, Sim? How would you know he is not hurt? And, do you know the whole story?
So ungrateful, how could you do this?
Again, no one knows the full story, so please do not use the word ungrateful to label Junsu, indirectly.
BoA
I guess everything I typed above could apply to her as well.
Super Junior Sungmin
He wrote this in his Cyworld:
Even though I didn’t want to say anything about it, I really think this has gone too far, so I’m posting this message. I mean, ever since the old days we have always told each other to always work hard together and told each other to have strength. Does he not remember? In the beginning we love practicing together and appearing on TV once seemed like a dream to us. Did he forget? Once again, please look in the mirror and don’t throw away the memories from being a trainee. I could understand why they left without a single word, but I really don’t know why they are making people who are working hard on their own thing look stupid by spreading absurd lies and hurtful words.
I am going to be magnanimous and accept all the wrote, except the last sentence. To me, if Sungmin doesn't know the whole truth, he could really be confused too. Why did these 3 sunbaes leave the company. Yunho & Changmin sunbae look really upset now. He probably missed them too. His first few sentences are pretty nostalgic, reminiscing on the past, as trainees, about dreams, practicing and performing. I can even handle the part where he says "I really think this has gone too far", I can just brush it off. But ending of the last sentence:
...but I really don’t know why they are making people who are working hard on their own thing look stupid by spreading absurd lies and hurtful words.
This, I cannot accept. Do you know the whole truth Sungmin? If you do not, how can you claim that JaeChunSu (since he used the word they) is spreading absurd lies and hurtful words. Anyone can also jump in now and say whatever you posted in your Cyworld is equivalent to spreading absurd lies and hurtful words about JaeChunSu. And what makes you think they are making people who are working hard on their own thing look stupid? Anyone can also say that your statement is making JaeChunSu, who is working hard on their own thing (they really are working hard) look stupid (by caring enough to tweet and for being upset)
Super Junior Shindong
He re-tweeted Sim Jaewoon's tweet and added the following:
Enemy: an opponent who would fight or hurt another.
Ingratitude: an act of not acknowledging one’s debt or betraying the one they are indebted to.
Or in other words, saying that my family would fight or hurt another is an act of betraying the person you’re indebted to!
Shindong, I am also asking you, do you know the whole truth? By the way, what kind of family block their own family members from appearing in broadcast? Or meddle with family member's releasing albums. Hmm...I really wonder Shindong. By the way, you might want to add in to your tweet, what exactly is YOUR definition of "family"
Now, I am going to talk about all this lash backs at Junsu's tweet, from another perspective.
Could they have been instructed by SM to do this?
I don't know. It is a 50-50 possibility.
While it is understandable for Sim, Shindong & Sungmin to listen to SM's orders, does queen BoA need to?
Well, she owns SM's shares, so she is in a way defending her own company. I know we are talking about defending Yunho here and not SM, but if you look at it, attacking Junsu is as good as defending SM. Another reasoning is, queen or not, she is still SM's artist and still have to abide their request. In business, there is no queen or king, its only about who have the bigger shares and ultimately, only about the money.
They are SM's artist, maybe they knew the truth?
Yes this is absolutely possible. However I sometimes feel that this whole issue is so complicated that I feel even the 5 boys themselves do not know the whole and absolute truth. The reason for me to say this is very simple. This whole issue involves so many people, the 5 boys, their families & the people who call the shots inside SM. If at any point, any one of them starts lying, everything will snowball and truth becomes muddled. So, maybe these people who responded to Junsu's tweet knew something, but perhaps not everything. And the same applies to the 5 members of DBSK.
They are just acting out what their hearts tell them to.
Definitely possible. They are humans too. And they are friends with all 5 members. Since Yunho and Changmin stayed back in SM, they were probably in contact. They could have seen how lost, depressed, angry, pressured or disappointed the 2 were. And when they read Junsu's tweet, they just felt a need to voice out their dissatisfaction. Always remember, idols and artiste have emotions too. They could cry and break too.
Also, I am going to talk a little about Junsu's act of tweeting those tweets
He absolutely have a right to express himself and it is his page. People who do not like it can damn well not read it. Unfortunately, twitter is never something private to begin with. It is something that spreads faster than when fire meets oxygen. Junsu could have exercised some tact and not write it down there. Perhaps to him, this is a new found freedom that he is determined to show to the world; to be able to express himself freely, without having to act like everything is all fine & dandy when it is not. And honestly, Junsu is man enough to not go delete the tweet or anything. Any sort of back lash and criticism, he took it like a man. Duck butt is growing up! But seriously, please don't do this again Junsu. Next time you are upset, just send your Jaejoong hyung a message. Just type Hyung and put in as many exclamation marks as you want. Or go troll on Yoochun and his forehead. Better yet, just tweet some new Oyaji gags. I miss the you doing them.
As a side note on Junsu. While everyone is focusing on guessing who is the "hyung" and who is the "enemy" and drawing their own conclusion that Yunho is the "hyung" while LSM is the "enemy", I actually noticed something else. The way Junsu said "that person was the enemy of all 5", doesn't it look like Junsu is confirming to us that, they had indeed at one point, decided to leave together? I am saying this because, up till today, there are people who are saying, Yes, all 5 wanted to leave but some HoMin changed their mind and then there's another group who says, No, it wasn't an "all 5 wanted to leave thing" at all.
As a closing, here's a summary of what I think:
- We really do not know why Sim, BoA, Sungmin & Shindong did what they did. So it is not fair to just cry foul at their actions. Especially when we also do not know what is the truth
- However, I do really feel that, there is no need for them to do a public "reply" to Junsu. The matter is really between the 5 members themself. If you really feel the need to "lecture" or "knock some sense" into Junsu, contact him privately. Things are complicated enough and has involved enough people, we don't need more jumping into the bandwagon.
- Junsu really did get his emotions get the better of him when he tweeted all those. But who is to blame him?
- If we calm ourselves down and look back, it really is just 5 people, being completely free to express themselves. And during times of high emotions, these 5 may have made some statements they probably would not usually say.
Tuesday, 6 December 2011
[Emotional] Junsu's Tweet
On 6th Jan 2011, Junsu tweeted a series of ambiguous tweets. I am going to type out what he tweet, base on the screencap found in Allkpop and put in the translation I got using Google Translate:
1st tweet:
아니라고..아닐거라고..믿어왔는데..우리다섯의 적이라고..똑같이 그렇게 생각했었는데..모두의 적만은 아니였나 봅니다..우리가 같이 적이라고 생각해 왔었던 것들에..감사를 표한다는거...같이 하지 못한 시간동안 많은일이 있었나봅니다..너무 지치네요;
No. .. not me .. that I wanted to believe all five of us... the enemy ... they are all the same so I thought Ithought you view the jeokmaneun enemy, as wethink ... ... thanks to those who had come neungeohours did not like ... a lot's happened to me too tired .. view;
2nd tweet:
좋은것만 생각하고... 듣고.. 보려고 하는데..그렇게 해왔었는데..오늘 만큼은 참 그게 너무나 어렵네요..우리가 떨어져 있어도 ..이건 아니였잖아 형...우리 같은생각이였잖아..왜..왜..그러는거야..
Thinking of a good thing ... Listen ... I'm just trying to see as much as I done it this time. ... That's toodifficult, even if we were apart, it's just not feel like I was your brother ... we're talking ... why ... why ...are you doing that.
3rd tweet:
더 사랑해야지..모든걸 감싸 알아야지..그 전부를 내가 품어야지..그래야지..^^
Ought to love more ... You've got to knoweverything ... it all wrapped born, so .. I hope so .. ^ ^
4th tweet:
그토록 아름다웠던 꿈에 지금은 시련이 온것 뿐이야..꽃이 진후에 우리는 다시시작..다시시작..다시시작..다시..꼭
Now in such a beautiful dream ... the flower trialsNo. It was just a message, we restart .. restart ..restart ... again ... just
Honestly, the translations from Google is kind of mind boggling (to put it mildly) at certain parts. Maybe you want to read how Allkpop translates it.
Basically, from Allkpop, you can see that there is a "hyung" in Junsu's tweet and people are speculating the "hyung" to be Yunho. And the "enemy" is Lee Soo Man. And what people are inclined to decipher is:
Junsu is saying, all 5 of them use to be on the same side, with all thinking LSM is their common enemy. But now, Yunho is thanking LSM and Junsu is appalled by it. He then adds on that a lot must have happened during the time the 5 of them were separated as 3 and 2.
I repeat, the above is what people ARE INCLINED to DECIPHER. They are all speculations. No one knows for sure, because, we are not Junsu.
So what makes people speculate in such a way? Well, because when KYHD was released, Yunho thanked Lee Soo Man in the "Thanks to" section of the album.
#The last tweets are Fallen Leaves#
*Awkward silence*
To be fair to Yunho:
I think thanking Lee Soo Man is something that is default for all SM artiste, be it for album release, concert, performance or even receiving awards. Even if Yunho didn't want to thank LSM, the staff would probably add it in all the same. And honestly, I believe all 5 members of DBSK have at one point in their life thanked LSM before. Most probably more than once. And even expressed how much they love him and respect him and how he is like a father to them. And at those time, people probably didn't think twice and believed whatever the boys said. But from what JaeChunSu did (wanting out of SM), we know things are not always what they seem to be.
To be fair to Junsu:
Its his twitter, his personal space. He can write what he wants, if you don't like it, don't follow, don't read. But the unfortunate case is, Twitter was never personal. It is always public. And Junsu is not some unknown person, he is Xiah Junsu from Dong Bang Shin Ki. People will speculate. And I guess, although Junsu know, SM artiste HAVE TO thank LSM, but to actually know Yunho is thanking him, is another thing altogether. If the tweets are really aimed at Yunho, can you really blame Junsu for getting emotional. Junsu have not always been as open with his emotions as Jaejoong; for him to expose his vulnerability like this, he must have felt very very upset. For those who said he was tactless for doing that, I would like to remind you, every person have a right to express their emotions. Even if the tweet is targeted at Yunho, Yunho didn't say anything, so why are you going ballistic at Junsu. Lastly, you really do not know the whole truth, so who are you to judge.
Just leave the boys' emotions to them ok. We just need to support their music, drama, musical, endorsement etc. Give them some privacy please.
1st tweet:
아니라고..아닐거라고..믿어왔는데..우리다섯의 적이라고..똑같이 그렇게 생각했었는데..모두의 적만은 아니였나 봅니다..우리가 같이 적이라고 생각해 왔었던 것들에..감사를 표한다는거...같이 하지 못한 시간동안 많은일이 있었나봅니다..너무 지치네요;
No. .. not me .. that I wanted to believe all five of us... the enemy ... they are all the same so I thought Ithought you view the jeokmaneun enemy, as wethink ... ... thanks to those who had come neungeohours did not like ... a lot's happened to me too tired .. view;
2nd tweet:
좋은것만 생각하고... 듣고.. 보려고 하는데..그렇게 해왔었는데..오늘 만큼은 참 그게 너무나 어렵네요..우리가 떨어져 있어도 ..이건 아니였잖아 형...우리 같은생각이였잖아..왜..왜..그러는거야..
Thinking of a good thing ... Listen ... I'm just trying to see as much as I done it this time. ... That's toodifficult, even if we were apart, it's just not feel like I was your brother ... we're talking ... why ... why ...are you doing that.
3rd tweet:
더 사랑해야지..모든걸 감싸 알아야지..그 전부를 내가 품어야지..그래야지..^^
Ought to love more ... You've got to knoweverything ... it all wrapped born, so .. I hope so .. ^ ^
4th tweet:
그토록 아름다웠던 꿈에 지금은 시련이 온것 뿐이야..꽃이 진후에 우리는 다시시작..다시시작..다시시작..다시..꼭
Now in such a beautiful dream ... the flower trialsNo. It was just a message, we restart .. restart ..restart ... again ... just
Honestly, the translations from Google is kind of mind boggling (to put it mildly) at certain parts. Maybe you want to read how Allkpop translates it.
Basically, from Allkpop, you can see that there is a "hyung" in Junsu's tweet and people are speculating the "hyung" to be Yunho. And the "enemy" is Lee Soo Man. And what people are inclined to decipher is:
Junsu is saying, all 5 of them use to be on the same side, with all thinking LSM is their common enemy. But now, Yunho is thanking LSM and Junsu is appalled by it. He then adds on that a lot must have happened during the time the 5 of them were separated as 3 and 2.
I repeat, the above is what people ARE INCLINED to DECIPHER. They are all speculations. No one knows for sure, because, we are not Junsu.
So what makes people speculate in such a way? Well, because when KYHD was released, Yunho thanked Lee Soo Man in the "Thanks to" section of the album.
#The last tweets are Fallen Leaves#
*Awkward silence*
To be fair to Yunho:
I think thanking Lee Soo Man is something that is default for all SM artiste, be it for album release, concert, performance or even receiving awards. Even if Yunho didn't want to thank LSM, the staff would probably add it in all the same. And honestly, I believe all 5 members of DBSK have at one point in their life thanked LSM before. Most probably more than once. And even expressed how much they love him and respect him and how he is like a father to them. And at those time, people probably didn't think twice and believed whatever the boys said. But from what JaeChunSu did (wanting out of SM), we know things are not always what they seem to be.
To be fair to Junsu:
Its his twitter, his personal space. He can write what he wants, if you don't like it, don't follow, don't read. But the unfortunate case is, Twitter was never personal. It is always public. And Junsu is not some unknown person, he is Xiah Junsu from Dong Bang Shin Ki. People will speculate. And I guess, although Junsu know, SM artiste HAVE TO thank LSM, but to actually know Yunho is thanking him, is another thing altogether. If the tweets are really aimed at Yunho, can you really blame Junsu for getting emotional. Junsu have not always been as open with his emotions as Jaejoong; for him to expose his vulnerability like this, he must have felt very very upset. For those who said he was tactless for doing that, I would like to remind you, every person have a right to express their emotions. Even if the tweet is targeted at Yunho, Yunho didn't say anything, so why are you going ballistic at Junsu. Lastly, you really do not know the whole truth, so who are you to judge.
Just leave the boys' emotions to them ok. We just need to support their music, drama, musical, endorsement etc. Give them some privacy please.
Monday, 5 December 2011
Commercial Break: Please support DBSK Mirotic
According to the Cassies in youtube, the original Mirotic have 80 million views. But it was taken down and re-uploaded by SM on 25 Nov 2009. I remember at the end of last month, I saw the view had about 7 to 8 million views. After the MAMA 2011 incident, Cassiopeia are trying to increase the views of Mirotic music video, back to its glorious 80 million views, better yet if they can achieve 90 million. As of now, it is already 11 million. That's more than 3 million higher than it was about 1.5 weeks ago. That's impressive. And if you read the youtube comments, it is heart warming. There are VIPs and ELFs chipping in to help. Not sure if there are other fanclubs involved because I couldn't read all comments.
Honestly I cannot answer you because I do not know. But what I know is, nothing is impossible. If you give up without trying, you will never achieve anything, and you will always have regrets.
But if you care for the boys, you can help too. Here's the link to Mirotic MV:
I know. It may not make any difference. So what if we reach 90 million views? Will it change anything? Will the lawsuit be over? Will they reunite?
Honestly I cannot answer you because I do not know. But what I know is, nothing is impossible. If you give up without trying, you will never achieve anything, and you will always have regrets.
Even if it cannot change anything big. I think if it can reach 90 million views by end of Dec 2011, it will be epic and words will spread. If the 5 boys hear about it, I think it will put a smile on their face and warm their hearts. Isn't that something worth putting in effort for? And its not such a huge effort, doesn't take an arm and a leg to do.
Dong Bang Shin Ki Hwaiting!
Uknow Yunho Hwaiting!
Choikang Changmin Hwaiting!
Youngwoong Jaejoong Hwaiting!
Micky Yoochun Hwaiting!
*silence*
just kidding...
Xiah Junsu Hwaiting!
Mirotic Hwaiting!
DBSK makes normally sane people do some insane things ^.^
Did DBSK go through what Hankyung/ Hangeng did?
The one and only Kpop group I ever got into is DBSK. Well, not I have to include JYJ & TVXQ Act II. But to me, they are all still 1 group. However, from watching their appearances in variety shows, one will definitely see other groups and know other Korean celebrities. Yoo Jaesuk, Lee Hyori, Park Myungsoo, etc. And I saw DBSK with Super Junior in their Exploration of the human body. There was one part where the MC made a joke by saying "the boss here is a Chinese". So I got curious, isn't this a Korean boy band. Then I did some googling and found out Hankyung is a Chinese national. I also found out about the Hankyung vs. SM lawsuit. But I didn't delve deeper, because SuJu is not really a group that I really care about. It is not them, I just have no more space in my heart, which is filled with Jaejoong, Yunho, Yoochun, Junsu & Changmin.
But one day, while on youtube, well one video leads to another. I can't recall how, but I somehow ended up on a Hankyung video. He was in a Chinese speaking show, and the MC asked him about SM. And Hankyung related the following incident:
Hankyung & Siwon is not feeling well, but 2 hours later there is a red carpet event and SM does not allow then to miss it, even if they are sick. So these 2 decided to go to the hospital, to seek treatment. Their manager followed them. The both of them were put on drips. The manager kept saying they have no time and need to hurry and the manager adjusted the drip to the fastest speed. Still, he kept saying it needs to be faster and they have no time. Finally, he yanked out the drip from both Siwon & Hankyung's hand.
At that point Hankyung said he don't wish to elaborate any more though there are other things. You know what, I cried watching the clip. I didn't even care for SuJu or Hankyung. But I cried because that is not how someone deserved to be treated. Hankyung & Siwon could have gone into shock or worse die, from what the manager did. Have you been on a drip before. Well I have. It is supposed to trickle, and if your dose needs to be adjusted, ie made faster, you can feel it. Imagine that being on full speed? And the yanking part, I leave it to your imagination. The last time a nurse pulled a drip out of my hand, I was bleeding. And she did it professionally and gently.
I read that people were comparing Hankyung & JaeChunSu and they had some comments:
1. Hankyung & JaeChunSu were fighting for different things. Hankyung was for contract being too long and for his own health. JaeChunSu was for contract and greed (read: money)
Well, these people are really so sure of themselves aren't they? They are speaking like they have private & unlimited access to Hankyung's, DBSK's & SM's (I mean the entire SM's staff) brains. How can you be so sure whatever happened to Siwon & Hankyung did not happen to DBSK? Just because Hankyung is not a South Korean? Then what about Choi Siwon? He is a Korean.
2. Hankyung is lying
Come on people. Hankyung had the guts to mention Siwon's name. Anytime Siwon could have come out and refute everything Hankyung claimed if it is not true. And if its really a lie, Hankyung would have just say he is alone. No loose ends to tie that way.
3. It was just one particular manager.
Again, you so sure? What if it is not "just one particular manager"? What if all SM's managers are like this? I am not saying their managers are maniacs with no feelings. But, what if these managers themselves are at the beck and call of higher management within SM? If a manager fails to bring the group he is in charge of, to an event or performance on time, what would happen to that manager? I don't know. Neither do you.
Something light to end the post.
I can't even name all Suju's members. And no, I don't even recognize all their members. Here are the names I actually do remember, I might get the names wrong. If you are an ELF, sorry:
1. Leeteuk (because he is the leader & in Exploration of the Human Body, they made fun of him being old)
2. Shindong (because of his size and him trying to do the Mirotic dance)
3. Heechul (because he looks pretty)
4. Siwon (because he is handsome)
5. Kangin (because he appeared in a show with Yunho, Junsu & Changmin)
6. Hankyung (because MC joked "the boss here is a Chinese")
7. Yesung (because he was teased in the jumping game. And because Yoochun kept getting the same score as him in the jumping game and they were both made fun of. It was epic)
That's about all. SuJu had 13 members right, I got 7, so at least half ^.^
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